Senator Lieberman, true to form, decreed today that if we begin to withdraw from Iraq any time in the foreseeable future would be a disaster of such unimaginable magnitude that it staggers the mind. Or something to that effect.Joe was the same guy who said, repeatedly, that "nobody wants to end the war more than" he...well, I'm starting to think that by "ending the war", Joe means either when the entire Middle East will be a smoldering pile of charred rubble; or when the entire populace of Iraq will suddenly put down their weapons and immediately embrace Western-style Democracy and wave U.S. flags with wild abandon (and go against centuries of culture and religion).
From CNN.Com (h/t to Matt Browner-Hamlin over at MLN)
Lieberman: Withdrawal would be a 'very serious mistake'So, anyone who voted for Joe because they believed him when he said he wanted to get our troops home safely, well...those ain't HIS kids dying over there.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Joe Lieberman, may have agreed to caucus with the Democrats in the next congressional term, but the Connecticut independent made it clear Wednesday he would not hold the party line on a call for phased troop withdrawals.
"Both general Abizaid and Ambassador Satterfield were quite clear and to me convincing, that for congress to order the beginning of a phased redeployment, a withdrawal of American troops from Iraq within the next 4 to 6 months would be a very serious mistake and would endanger ultimate the United States," Lieberman told reporters after the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on Iraq.
Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, who is to become the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee when Democrats take control of the chamber in January, said Tuesday a phased withdrawal is the only way Iraqi forces will take responsibility for their country.
Lieberman's comments are a sign his defeat in the Connecticut Democratic primary has not weakened his hawkish stance on Iraq. Connecticut Democrats voted Lieberman out of the party in August, opting for vehement antiwar candidate Ned Lamont. Lieberman, running as an independent candidate, defeated Lamont in the general election.
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Bob, your implication that the Senator cares nothing about this soldiers is obviously you trying to be a jerk. You also don't seem to recognize that if we just pull out now it will lead to the slaughter of millions not to mention embolden Iran to move into the area to help the other Shi'ia Muslims. You do not seem to recognize this as a threat.
And since this is now my third comment on here and all the others have been deleted, you should stop proclaiming free speech and start saying people who agree with me.
Right, the Joe voters are saying "what war?" Reid and Levin are going to have a huge fight on their hands with Joe, and it kind of serves them right! However, I think if this Democratic Senate doesn’t do the voter’s will and start seriously withdrawing our troops – it won’t be just Joe that Sen. Reid will have to worry about! There will be a huge anti-war population going for his throat!
anonymous, no, it's not my implication; it's my completely overt statement that Lieberman cares NOTHING for our soldiers, OK? He's a spoiled child who couldn't WAIT to fuck over the Democratic party which gave him such a difficult time this year. Joe LIVES to "even the score". He'll stay in Iraq until EVERY soldier is dead, just to prove HE'S RIGHT. Because to Joe, revenge is MORE important than these kid's lives.
Happy?
Well I wish before the election voters were able to realize Joe's true colors. Could those be RED? I have taken a week to depress from what should have been a slim win by Lamont. Basicly the numbers don't add up. I am looking for the 100k votes Joe was able to earn to win this election at all. I think an investigation should be looked into.
What a bitter little man.
God, I'd pay to see him actually have to face real soldiers and families of the fallen.
UptownNYChick
Joe holds the party line. The best question is 'which party'? What did democrats in the Senate expect?
He's a bag of trouble. I hope the senators who are gleeful over his win have to defend him on a daily basis!
your statement proves how immature, naive, ignorant, false, uneducated, brainwashed and absolutely stupid you and this blog truly are. I hope all the readers can understand this.
Even though this is just a small nothing of a blog you do have the responsibly as a journalist to tell the truth. GROW UP
pervious comment was directed to B.A.
this blog, this comment string, everything about this dialog reveals the fundamental flaw with the hardcore lamont supporters (personified by ct bob). Why do you feel like your opinion is right all of the time and that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. It reeks of arrogance. It sounds like your saying that there is only one solution in Iraq, your solution, and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. You all need to stop demonizing joe lieberman and everyone else that disagrees with your narrow worldview, and start discussing.
From MSNBC
"Three influential US senators on Thursday stepped up the pressure on George W Bush over climate change, demanding mandatory limits on greenhouse gas emissions by the end of 2007.
Senators Barbara Boxer, Jeff Bingaman and JOSEPH LIEBERMAN wrote to Mr Bush to say that the outcome of the mid-term elections meant he would face renewed calls for a federal system of emissions caps."
Something Ned Lamont would never be able to do in his fist year as a Senator.
gchaucer2, thank you for illustrating my point. your essentially saying, if you don't agree with us go elsewhere. How is this blog and others like it anything but an echo chamber for people who agree 100% on issues and think anyone who diverges from thier worldview is a traitor to the democratic party or a brainwashed republican?
gchauer2,
anonymous 11:08 could not be any more correct. The reason way I spend so much time on this blog is to fight the propaganda that this blog loves to dish out. Just doiung my party to help our country
annon @ 10:37 -- I don't believe getting out of Iraq is a narrow worldview. In fact, I believe it is the view of over half of Americans, it fueled the turn over of the House and Senate and is shared by any people across the globe.
Ned Lamonts @ 11:03 That's wonderful Joe has lent his name to such a worthwhile effort, but it would have gone forward without him too. Still, I don't think it counteracts the Energy bill Lieberman supported that is basically putting a floating bomb off the coast of Connecticut and Long Island.
UNC
gchaucher,
I have no problem with opinions, thats why I come here. I do have a problem when one of the authors of the Blog (B.A.) writes comments like this
"He's a spoiled child who couldn't WAIT to fuck over the Democratic party which gave him such a difficult time this year. Joe LIVES to "even the score". He'll stay in Iraq until EVERY soldier is dead, just to prove HE'S RIGHT. Because to Joe, revenge is MORE important than these kid's lives."
I'm sorry but there is no point that is trying to be argued here just immature name calling like a 4th grader. the major problem with this is that people search IceRocket for political information and they come across this. Some might be smart enough to realize the author is a little sick but other might think it is true and base judgments on it. So I'm just trying to keep Bob from negatively influencing people with is dirty mouth and twisted propaganda
Someone sent me this pithycartoon.
It just about sums it up for me. Enjoy!
gchaucer2
"As I was firmly against this war from the get-go, critical of the manner in which it was conducted --I am without a clue as to how to resolve this mess."
This is the most intelligent statement to come out of this blog. I couldnt agree more
gchaucher2,
you missed understood me I wasnt being sarcastic. I also havent the slightest clue as to who to solve this war/nor should I, you or any else on this Blog. I think the war should be solved by the Generals incharge not the politicians or the American public. I think this realization is the first step to a solution.
TIME magazine wrote about you
"Liberal bloggers and their readers helped to swing the Connecticut Democratic Senate primary to anti-war candidate Ned Lamont, raising expectations that the midterms would turn this new generation of online activists into kingmakers. Yet in the midst of a Democratic wave, the netroots candidates failed to sweep, causing some pundits to claim that the netroots' influence continues to be overstated"
So do you think you are overstated? I guess the election proves how you just couldnt get the job done
theres something i dont get, bob. you have a lot of interesting facts, but you choose to ignore some important facts. in october 2003, lieberman asked rumsfeld to resign. ill write that again. in OCTOBER 2003, lieberman asked rumsfeld to RESIGN. this was just the beginning of the war, and lieberman wanted new leadership. imagine if we had listened to him...
now on this "lieberman doesnt care about human lives" statement, that is just pure idiocy. i know you dont like lieberman, but it doesnt take a genius to figure out what hes trying to say. he wants the troops home more than anyone because he voted for the war. he is partially responsible for them being in iraq, so he knows this is partly his responsibility. he believes taking out troops can lead to more deaths of iraqis and terrorists can influence the unstable state. i know bob thinks he is very, very, very intelligent, but maybe he can be wrong on this one thing.
Hi Folks,
Have had a crazy couple of days and not able to get the time to post. Adam, you say to let the military commanders decide what to do, but what happens when they are silenced and vetoed? Commanders on active duty cannot publicly state their opinions. Those who retired have almost unanimously said we need to get out. The last Gallup poll I saw said 81% of Iraqis see the US as occupiers -- not liberators or helpers. If 81% want us out, and retired active military with first-hand knowledge say we need to get out -- it seems to me we should get out.
gchaucer2 - you rock.
hopewellian,
So you are saying you want the majority of Connecticut go to Iraq
I voted for Lieberman and I'm agaisnt the war, yea many people who did vote for Joe are against the war. The war isnt the most important issue to Connecticut residents, when will you understand.
If you tell me to go enlist because I voted for Joe who supported the war, its like me telling you to join Al-Qaeda because you voted for Ned and supported terrorists.
things arent that Black and White. People voted for Joe for dozens of other reasons, not just the war. But it sounds like you and your friends voted for Ned soley because of the war and thats your choice.
Keep in mind a majority of voters voted AGAINST Lieberman. He pulled the most votes, but he didn't win by a majority. 49.8%, I think it was. It takes one more than 50% to have a majority.
gchaucher2,
of course my statement about Al-Qaeda was dumb. But from my point of view it is the exactly the same as what hopewellian stated.
I'm sorry B.A 49.8% is very close to 50.1%. but considering how low he was on the ballot I'll give him the majority
Seriously people when will you execpt that most people disagree with you and understand Lieberman is the right person for the job.
Ned Lamont wants to run for the board of the Round Hill Country Club get your blogs ready he needs your support, but if you are black or jewish you will have to sit this one out
You can't "give" anyone the majority. You're just showing your total lack of sense.
Stop with the race-baiting. You know you're wrong.
id bet on my life lamont isnt racist or anti semetic. belonging to an all white country club and standing of the podium with jesse jackson and al sharpton makes lamont look bad to blacks and jews, respectively.
Listen stupid, the club isn't "all-white"; even waterboy Gerstain had to admit that when his lies were exposed. There are minority members; they happen to be very wealthy (that's pretty much a given if you want to join) and the only color they care about up there is green.
And since when do you speak for all African-Americans and Jews? Who died and made YOU the racially-sensative spokesperson for all minorities?
Plus, Lieberman begged Al Sharpton to give him his endorsement; Rev. Sharpton laughed at Joe and backed Ned. Why do you think Joe suddenly hated Sharpton so much?
Just like when Lieberman made a big thing about of Lamont owning some Halliburton stock as a part of an investment fund, and it turned out that Lieberman (the accuser) himself owned many times the amount that Lamont did.
How about I send you a dollar so you can buy yourself a clue?
bob you are incredibly stubborn. you would argue lamont to the death that lamont was a perfect candidate. i know many minorites who didnt like that. jesse jackson is a racist so hes not appealing to whites and non liberals. his country club was for the rich and in GREENWICH, CT. it doesnt take a genius to figure out this club was very, very, very white. by the way, wasnt lamont the anti-war candidate? so why would he have stock in halliburton if he was so against the war?
* i meant you would argue to the death that lamont was a perfect candidate.
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